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Post by icedancer Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:10 pm

This is all totally my own fault, but just need to have a moan.

Took Florence to vet for her VHD jab on Friday. All the literature they gave me was for Lapinject so I didn't bother to check. She played up at the vet something rotten, think she got bored as they were running really late, but she had her jab fine.

Yesterday she was very quiet, which is un-Florence-like. Hardly ate anything and didn't want to play. I just assumed it was because of jab.

This morning she seemed a bit bouncier, seemed happy to get breakfast and was hopping around. So this afternoon I got her out to play. That's when I noticed she wasn't putting any weight on one of her front paws. This set alarm bells ringing so I checked her jab record, and she'd had ***** Cylap. I was furious, esp as this is supposed to be a "bunny specialist" vet.

So I picked her up, and then noticed she had a major case of poopy butt, which must have been because she felt so rotten she couldn't be bothered to clean. Florence is a clean bunny, so this was a shock. I then spend nearly an hour bum cleaning an already pi**ed off bunny, who had an equally pi**ed off owner.

Now I did introduce spring greens and coriander on Friday, so I'll leave them out for a day or two. What was strange was some of the mess was hard droppings, so not sure what happened.

She's now in a clean cage, with no green bits, but I'm so annoyed. I'll be complaining to the vets and will make sure she NEVER has Cylap again. Just can't believe I was that much of an idiot to assume.

Thanks for listening to my moan!
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Post by KatieB Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:13 pm

Oh bless you hun, this isnt your fault - you were right to think you were getting what you asked for. Bless you, and poor flo.

Please give her a cuddle for me, keep an eye on her she should be fine. You should def give the vets a call - if for no other reason than to let them know that there has been some nasty side effects and hopefully make them re-consider their use Cyclap at all.

I would be furious too.

Sending hugs x x
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Post by dizzylynn Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:19 pm

I have heard alot of bad things about the jabs, our vet really didnt have much info on the jabs thats whats put me off getting them, my friend had bunnies for years she never gave them jags, same with a few others, get mixed opnions so confusing me so much.
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Post by KatieB Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:24 pm

dizzylynn wrote:I have heard alot of bad things about the jabs, our vet really didnt have much info on the jabs thats whats put me off getting them, my friend had bunnies for years she never gave them jags, same with a few others, get mixed opnions so confusing me so much.

Both of the diseases Myxi and VHD are incredibly nasty diseases. Both are untreatable and fatal in 100% of cases. Not only that the Death is horrific.

There are side effects with some jabs yes, but there are very very rare with myxi and by choosing Lapinject or Anivac for the VHD these are greatly reduced.

ALWAYS VACCINATE! I cannot stress this strongly enough.

Myxi is RIFE and killing buns at an alarming rate right now. Even with a side effect vaccination it is worth it every time.
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Post by dizzylynn Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:39 pm

Will call round the vets see who is using what jab, then get them done during the week.
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Post by cheryl'n'bruce'flo Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:07 pm

dizzylynn wrote:Will call round the vets see who is using what jab, then get them done during the week.

I agree with Katie - the diseases are far worse than the jabs. VHD 12 mobthly VHD 6 monthly regardless of what others might recommend. Myxi appears to be mutating to be more resistant to the vaccine so 6 monthly is a must. A vaccinated bun stands a good chance of survival and non vaccinated one won't, simple as that. And we have all seen the reports on here on what a terrible year it has been for myxi.

Bruce and Flo both reacted to Cylap this year and it shocked me, but if it was all that was on offer I would still give them it! However it is not all that is on offer and any vet worth their salt will order the anivac in for you - it does not put them out of pocket at all. If they say they won't tell them you will take your buns elsewhere. It is really important to actually speak to the vets about this and not just to the receptionists. I have heard a lot of people say that the receptionists have tried to make them go away with a 'we know better' attitude, but once they get to talk to the vets they find sympathetic ears a willingness to work with bun owners. Most vets are actually seemed to be shocked when they read the updated information in the cylap leaflet.

Icedancer - do report it to your vet and specifically ask them to report the incident to the drug company. They are compiling info on Cylap and have asked that vets report incidents such as this. Don't be tempted to take Florence in unless you feel she is in real pain as there is nothing the vets can do - you just need to wait out the symptoms. I checked Bruce and Flo really thoroughly when they were limping and I am as satisfied as I can be that they were in no pain and there was no flinch reaction when I touched or moved their legs and they seemed fine with letting me do it. Tell them you want anivac next time and you would prefer it if they went over to it for all buns. And as I said before, phone up and ask to speak to the vet that saw you and save the detail for them.
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Post by dizzylynn Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:12 pm

I've sent a msg on facebook to the lass that works there, last time I spoke to a diff lass it was her who seemed to have no clue. See if she can tell me which brand it is, failing that will give Lauries a call in falkirk, they are the vet that treats reps so they more specialist staff.
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Post by marleyNfriends Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:38 pm

Poor you and poor Florence. Its not your fault though Hugs
I had a similar experience with my old vet, after the cylap incident i had with Dolly, i changed vets and never looked back. Hopefully Florence makes a full recovery from her limp, and she doesnt get a poopy butt again. Sending lots of vibes.

Also, please make sure your vet reports the limp to the manufacturer. If you dont think you can do it, i reccomend you do it yourseldf. xxx
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Post by fiver Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:02 pm

oh poor florence give her a cuddles and nose rub from me,
its not your fault but you should mention all the side effects to your vet,
this thread made me look at my girls records and am shocked Shocked they had cylap but no bad effects were lucky i guess Rolling Eyes
i will remember this next time though..
i wonder if thats why the other week i had to clean bluebells botty as she came to me already vaccinated scratch

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Post by dizzylynn Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:27 pm

The lass got back to me, she will sort out time to go in tomorow and said that none of the bunnies have had any side effects in their practice.
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Post by KatieB Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:37 pm

dizzylynn wrote:I've sent a msg on facebook to the lass that works there, last time I spoke to a diff lass it was her who seemed to have no clue. See if she can tell me which brand it is, failing that will give Lauries a call in falkirk, they are the vet that treats reps so they more specialist staff.

If your vet doesnt do the one you want then you can always ask them to get it in for you - it shouldnt cost you any more and they might even be glad of the opportunity to try it out.

If I were you i would get the myxi one done first as that is the one thats killing buns at an alarming rate at the moment. There has to be two weeks between the myxi and the VHD so that would give you time to sort the VHD issue out.

Good luck hun x
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Post by dizzylynn Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:34 pm

Going down with him tomorow, will need to dig the pet carrier out tho. or wrap him in a towel which I dont like doing but cant get in the loft. I think what made me not look into it as much as that I didnt realise it was passed by flys etc, thought it was contact with infected bunny, so with him being in here on his own and no other bunnies about I didnt make the connection.
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Post by KatieB Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:43 pm

Theres not enough info out there I dont think. It should be more available I think - otherwise how are we supposed to know!
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Post by icedancer Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:28 pm

I'm going to print all the Cylap stuff off and take it to the vet. She's going back in about a month for her pre-spay check up so am going to take in a diary of what happened plus any info I can find.

I've been to my parents for dinner and got her straight out when I got back. No poopy butt so that's something but doesn't appear to be many poos at all. Iver now let her out in the kitchen while I wash up (I'm so hygienic, she was out here when I was cooking the other day!) And she isn't as lively but her paw doesn't seem to be bothering her. I'm just so annoyed that it couldve been prevented.

Alarm bells shouldve rung when the vet told me if you get any of it in your finger it could fall off!! Surely if it does that it can not be safe!

Thanks guys for not shooting me down!
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Post by fiver Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:37 pm

nothing to shoot icedancer you did what i and probably many would do you kind of trust the vet to do whats best for your girls or boys and it's opened my eyes too Hugs

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Post by lizzi_b Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:50 pm

OMG!!Poor Flo and poor you!! I would be so angry, especially when you had previously discussed it with your vet!! My vet too said they have never had any buns suffer with any of these side effects at their practice, but that's probably because people either haven't reported it, or just haven't noticed!! So i insisted on the other jab and made them order it in and it cost me no more!!

I hope Flo recovers soon!! Hugs
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Post by cheryl'n'bruce'flo Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:57 pm

Why would we shoot you down? The cylap issue is very frustrating especially when the vets deny any problem. Mine did when I reported Bruce and Flo. When they wen back 2 weeks later for their myxi we had a good talk about it and I pointed out that if it were just one bun I probably would't have thought much of it - maybe a bad landing from a jump. But when both were limping it made me think twice and look for the link between the limp and the jab. You have every right to be angry and each one of us that gets angry and asks questions hopefully informs the vets and the use of Cylap with reduce saving other owners the upset.
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Post by JoeyBunsMum Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:09 pm

Hugs Don't be too hard on yourself (I know it's hard) especially as you were given literature on Lapinject.

And to new owners / if you have a new vet, always ask what vaccine they are using.

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Post by cheryl'n'bruce'flo Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:33 pm

JoeyBunsMum wrote: Hugs Don't be too hard on yourself (I know it's hard) especially as you were given literature on Lapinject.

And to new owners / if you have a new vet, always ask what vaccine they are using.

And double check on the day.

It is not about owners feeling bad it should be about vets doing what is in the best interests of the pets.

(you might have noticed but this topic fires me up!)
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Post by Thumper2001 Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:35 pm

Don't feel bad, you were CLEARLY mislead by the vet.

How is she now?
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Post by Dotdot Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:40 pm

Oh how horrible! You were lead to think you were getting Lapinject so it's not your fault! Why would we shoot you down? Nothing you did was wrong Smile

Can your finger really fall off if you get some of it on there or am I being gullible? Rolling Eyes

How is Florence now? Give her lots of cuddles and nose rubs from me.
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Post by icedancer Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:07 pm

I've been checking her bum nearly constantly today (all clean so far) but she isn't herself. She is pooing and weeing, which is good, but she isn't eating as much as normal. I gave in and gave her some coriander tonight, but there are pellets left which is unusual. She isn't very lively either, I had her out in the kitchen while I was washing up again, and she wasn't really playing Sad

She is however cleaning herself, and me, today, which is progress. Poor baby. I just feel so guilty I've put her through it.
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Post by Josie Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:25 pm

Poor Florence Crying or Very sad

Both my 2 have cylap and always have done but as Flopsy is booked in next month i will ask about it.
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Post by cheryl'n'bruce'flo Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:55 pm

I found this on a vet shop site selling Cylap

' Accidental self-inoculation To the user: If you inject yourself accidentally with this product, go at ONCE to the nearest Accident and Emergency (Casualty) Department of a hospital and show the information printed below to the doctor (or nurse) on duty. To the doctor Accidental self-inoculation with this oil based product can cause intense vascular spasm which may, for example, result in the loss of a digit. Expert, PROMPT, surgical attention is required and may necessitate early incision and irrigation of the injected area, especially where there is involvement of finger pulp or tendon sheaths.'
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Post by icedancer Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:44 pm

That must've been what the vet was on about.

Now I'm not a scientist, but surely if it can do that to a person it should be banned!

Evil stuff.
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