At what point should i give in?

[b]Ruffin has never realy used anything but her lit trays she quite often gets in the lit tray and pidles over the side but thats cos she has a big ass My first bunn Jake he allways used the lit trays as well so dont think its so much a boy thing. And lets face it Katie's Daisy prob does it just to keep Katie active clearing up his royal poops

Soe people on facebook have suggested making his area smaller but its not like he drops them everywhere or pee's all over its in specific places.

Ive put a tray in the front room and he still pee's in front of it.

Am thinking to order a carpet cleaner and clean thoroughly then use the simple soltuion and then see what happens.
I mean a carpet cleaner is always useful right?

I must admit charlie is great, he is a outside bunny but his house is like ours castle for a bunny lol, he has 2 trays in there and a corner that he uses but cant get a tray in it due to ramp so just clean it regularly. He comes in the house and never ever does anything not even poo, if he needs he starts to get hyper and cheeky, this seems to be an indication he wants to go back in his house, because I have noticed each time he acts like this I go to get him he will lie down and look up at me as if to say ok pick me up, take him out he is right into his tray. If you try to catch him any other time he is like no chance I am having fun. So now I know when he is ready and had enough he does his nutty hyper cheeky routine, lies down looking at me lol its sweet.

I agree with making his area smaller! I had to do that with Buttons. Also do you keep moving the tray to where he keeps weeing? I had to move ours into the middle of the lounge floor for a bit till he realised that was where he needed to do it and now associates his tray with toilet rather one spot!!

I also hid bits of his favourite food in the hay (tiny chunks of carrot, herbs etc) and didn't go near him when in the tray, so he would realise the tray is a good place to be and also it is his own space where he can sit and do his mess without being bothered by humans!!

I hope he starts to grasp it soon!! it took buttons months!!! sadly some of us have stubborn buns, just stick with it and eventually it clicks and the frustration is al worth while!!