Kenzo isn't doing any better at all...

I'm giving him the medication exactly like the vet told me, but he just keeps getting worst.
He has to drag his head on the floor because he can't hold it up... He looks so terrible.
He has no balance at all, can hardly sit and falls over every 2 minuts. His nose is clean now, but his eyes are dirty, he keeps having diarrea, I have to clean his cagee everyday. When he's on my lap with me (like right now) he dosen't even bother to try and sit, he just lays there with his mouth half open and his eyes looking strange, he almost looks dead.
I can't realy tell because he dosen't move around, but I think one (or both) of his back legs are paralyzed, because they are very stiff and he dosen't react at all when I touch them. He still dosen't hear anything either. At times he eats and drinks on his own, but sometimes I have to help him.
Obviously the treatment isn't working AT ALL, I can't help but to be angry at the vet for wasting my time and money on something that dosen't work, I'm starting to wonder if their not just doing this for money. I'm taking him back to the vet tomorow, I hope the next treatment won't be too expensive, because I can't afford to pay much more, but I can't even bear the thought of him dieing or being put down. That's just NOT going to happen.

I'm so sorry to hear about poor little Kenzo. Have you had bad experiences with the vet in the past, where they have cared more about money than your pets?

It might be a good idea to discuss your limited finances with the vet. Are there any other rabbit vets in your area that you could take Kenzo to?

Sorry I'm not much good with the medical side of things. Sending many vibes for Kenzo's return to health

Poor Kenzo. Sending lots of vibes for him and hugs for you.

This doesn't sound good at all, I'm afraid.
Could you try and find another vet?
Sending lots of vibes and a bag full of hugs

I have looked and asked everyone I know if there are other vets specialized in rabbits and other rodents/birds/reptiles, but this is the ONLY one in Barcelona and the area all around it, and unfortunatly they do care more about money than about peoples pets. I'm not the only person to complain about them.
Most of the time when an animal is in a critical state, instead of proposing to put it to sleep they give it an expensive treatment and when they got money from that, THEN they say the animal has to be put to sleep.
It happened to a friend of mine with her guinea pig, and I have seen other people complaining about it...
The problem isn't all the vets, its a group of vets and the one that is like that is the "top vet" the owner of the center, he pretty much decides everything.
The vet that sees my bunnies and ocasionaly my hamsters is very nice and loves animals, but she dosen't decide what to do...

So sorry for you Lottie. Sounds like an awful situation for you. All I can do is send you lots of hugs and hope for Kenzo to show some progress. xx

I'm so sorry Kenzo's not responding Lottie, I hope you find a medical/vet solution soon, vibes for you both

Hi Lottie,

I so so so sorry to hear kenzo isnt responding. I wish I could send some magic to make him better.

I am thinking of you both and sending all the vibes in the world.

Good luck at the vets tomorrow honey.

i think he's dieing on my lap right now...

O Lottie.....

It seems I got a bit carried away, Kenzo didn't die, even though for a while there I thought it was the end... he had that "I'm gonna die" look in his eyes and was breathing so slowly, i don't know what he had

I'm back from the vet, she said that there are 2 posibilities: Either he has E.C, or the inner ear infection got worst, and there has to be surgery to cure it.
I'm back from the vet, Kenzo is under treatment incase he has E.C (treatment with panacur and more baytril and more stuff), and if in 10 days he isn't doing a bit better, it means it's not E.C but the inner ear infection that got worst.
If that's the case, I have to pay a 300 euros surgery or have him put to sleep...
Unfortunatly I don't knows how I'm going to get 300euros in 10 days.

The vet didn't seem too worried about his diarrea or back legs that don't move, she just noded and started talking about something else.

Ok, I've had a quick read through and these are the suggestions that come to my mind and what I would be looking at if this was happening to my rabbit:

1. The fact he has an upset stomach is very likely a reaction to the antibiotics (Baytril) and the fact they are being given orally. To help rectify the damage they are doing to his stomach he needs probiotics, you can buy these online and they are not too expensive. Try googling Fiberplex, Bio-Lapis or Avi-Pro. These will help replenish the good gut flora.

2. Baytril is not a great antibiotic for fighting infection which has deep tissue penetration and is even less effective when given orally. This leaves two options, try an alternative antibiotic such as Septrin or move to injectable Baytril. Other antibiotics that can be given by injection include Oxytetracycline and Depocillin. I would advise against Depocillin as his stomach is obviously upset and penicillin based antibiotics are the most likely to cause enterotoxemia.

3. Also along the lines of antibiotics, can the vet take a swab from the ear canal to see what (if any) bacteria is present? They can then do a culture and sensitivity test on it which will tell you which bacteria you are dealing with and what antibiotics will work against it.

4. If nothing else is helping with his balance it may be time to consider whether a steroid injection could help reduce the inflammation inside his poor little head. The downsides to this, steroids lower the immune system in rabbits which can leave them more prone to infection by dampening the immune response. They are usually a last ditch attempt. Do you know what painkiller Kenzo is on currrently?

5. This one is really specialised so although well worth mentioning implementing it would be hard. Some vets in the UK will prescribe a anti-vertigo drug to rabbits who are struggling for balance to help them maintain stability. An example of this would be Stemetil. Worth asking your vet about, but likely to be unheard of by her I'm afraid.

I hope that helps or at least gives you some ideas to try out with your vet that are not going to cripple you as financially as surgery (which may not provide the answer, especially if you are not 100% it's a vestibular infection).

Feel relieved he's still there because I was as nervous as you I guess.
I'll get back to you later, first dishes...

Ok have been reading Sooz' comment and I have nothing to add really.
From day 1 I was convinced Kenzo had E.C. but I am some 1500 km away!!

I had to inject Baytril for 3 days at the least!!
I had to inject steroids for 3 days.
After day 3 I had to switch to Metacam (orally)
Panacur for 6 weeks or longer.

Surgery is just not useful in this.
There was no infection in Rufus' ears, but he got the Baytril "just in case"

You could increase the dose of Panacur a little, more is OK, less is bad.

Keep on fighting!!!

I'll call the vet tomorow and ask all that Sooz said, I think it would be better to inject the baytril too, since I have heard that it's not the best given orally alot.
Only thing is, I don't know what Steroid is? I probably do know but it must have a diferent name in spanish.

Lottie - im thinking of you both honey. Definately worth speaking to your vet with sooz advice.

Ive had a look to see if I can find anything that will translate this into spanish. This might mean that it is the same in spanish????

Good luck honey - sending you big hugs kenzo.

The Spanish word is coming up as Esteroide?

The steroid I have used in the past is called Dexamethasone which is a corticosteroid.

never heard of the word Esteroide, but I'll try anyway!

Los medicamentos corticosteroides (también conocidos como glucocorticoides) actúan como la hormona adrenal cortisona que ocurre de manera natural en el cuerpo. Hay medicamentos inmunosupresores y fuertes antiinflamatorios utilizados para muchas enfermedades inflamatorias y autoinmunes, tales como artritis reumatoide, asma, enfermedad inflamatoria del intestino y lupus eritematoso sistémico. Los corticosteroides también son recetados para suprimir el rechazo al trasplante.

Los medicamentos en esta familia incluyen

* betametasona (Celestone)
* acetato de cortisona (Cortone Acetate)
* dexametasona (Decadron, Dexameth, Dexone, Hexadrol)
* hidrocortisona (Cortef, Hydrocortone)
* Metilprednisolona (Medrol)
* prednisolona (Delta-Cortef, Pediapred, Prelone)
* prednisona (Deltasone, Liquid Pred, Meticorten, Orasone, Panasol-S, Prednicen-M, Sterapred DS)
* triamcinolona (Aristocort, Atolone, Kenacort)
* y otros

lopz wrote:
* betametasona (Celestone)
* acetato de cortisona (Cortone Acetate)
* dexametasona (Decadron, Dexameth, Dexone, Hexadrol)
* hidrocortisona (Cortef, Hydrocortone)
* Metilprednisolona (Medrol)
* prednisolona (Delta-Cortef, Pediapred, Prelone)
* prednisona (Deltasone, Liquid Pred, Meticorten, Orasone, Panasol-S, Prednicen-M, Sterapred DS)
* triamcinolona (Aristocort, Atolone, Kenacort)
* y otros

Well Done!
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Wow thank you lopz! I'll definitly talk about that to my vet this afternoon!

My mom says I should give Kenzo some rice to stop his diarrea, but I realy don't think it's a good idea!

nono, buns don't eat rice!!
you must make hay tea. Just put some hay in a cup, pour over boiling water and let it brew for a few minutes, if he doesn't want to drink it, you could give it with a syringe, but if you just put it in his drinking bottle, he will drink it I guess.

Yes, no rice! The key is fiber!

I thought so! I'll try this hay tea, Kenzo drinks/eats about anything so it shouldn't cause any trouble...