A Pee Problem UD. RESULTS

Im posting here, because im not sure if its a behaviour thing or if Dolly needs to see a vet.

I dont know if i posted a month or so ago about her drinking a lot, but i decided to just leave her and keep an eye on them as they were eating a lot more dry food and obviously recently moved indoors.

Anyway, last week Dolly peed all over my bed. Not full wees, just small patches all over, she has been jumping on and off the bed ever since they came inside and she hasnt peed on it until now. I put it down to Poppy dog deliberately peeing on my bed when i was out, and Dolly just marking her territory again. But she did it again yesterday when i was up there studying. I didnt notice until later, but shed left patches again on the edge of the duvet. This is what i put down to behaviour.

But theyre still getting through a 8" dog bowl between them in 24 hours, and I have noticed that one of them (i think its Dolly) is also leaving patches on teh carpet. Now this morning i noticed a puddle in the middle of their pen. This isnt like her, she only ever pees out of the litter tray if its over full with hay.

Im wondering if she needs to see the vet or if i should just keep an eye on them for a bit longer.

How long have they been inside?
Tigger and Jeeves were away from home for a month when they were ill when they went holiday boarding. When they came home they lost all toilet training and were continually wetting the bed. For the past two weeks it has been mostly dry (finally!) but up until now been wee'd in and used as a toilet. I'm just wondering if them being inside has thrown them slightly?

Do they have pro-c in the water? I know Tigger drinks ridiculous amounts when it's in there and I actually had to take her off it because she was drinking about 600/700ml a day.

sounds like behavioural ie marking territory rather than something wrong BUT it never hurts to go check with a vet if only for peace of mind

Dotdot wrote:How long have they been inside?
Tigger and Jeeves were away from home for a month when they were ill when they went holiday boarding. When they came home they lost all toilet training and were continually wetting the bed. For the past two weeks it has been mostly dry (finally!) but up until now been wee'd in and used as a toilet. I'm just wondering if them being inside has thrown them slightly?

Do they have pro-c in the water? I know Tigger drinks ridiculous amounts when it's in there and I actually had to take her off it because she was drinking about 600/700ml a day.

They have been indoors since October, and the peeing has only been a problem over the last week or 2. They dont have Pro-C in the water either, they only has it in while Marley had his dicky tum.

fiver wrote:sounds like behavioural ie marking territory rather than something wrong BUT it never hurts to go check with a vet if only for peace of mind

I would put it down to behaviour normally, especially with it being on the bed. But with them drinking a fair bit, and her not always using the litter tray and now spotting on the carpet, it makes me wonder.

The only new thing in my room is the gecko, and i did wonder if this might have upset them, but im not sure.

ANY new smell including lizards will make any long term pet react as it has always been their territory so it would be definately a contributory factor
my lot get uptight if i have any one come to visit us even when my nephew comes in and is often round here visiting they hide and when he goes and they come out they go round everywhere rubbing their chins and peeing and pooing for england

In that case maybe you should panacur for 29 days (or whatever the long course is). When were they last done?
When Tigger came back she was also widdling everywhere on the floor and just leaking in the carrier etc. Started panacur and after 3/4 days she was no longer leaking. Just an idea.

Dotdot wrote:In that case maybe you should panacur for 29 days (or whatever the long course is). When were they last done?
When Tigger came back she was also widdling everywhere on the floor and just leaking in the carrier etc. Started panacur and after 3/4 days she was no longer leaking. Just an idea.

I dont worm them routinely, theres a lot of debates over this. I worm "new" rabbits when they arrive, but i dont treat them any other time unless i see symptoms. I dont think its necessary to start panacur without seeing a vet in this case, i didnt even consider it being EC, and was thinking more about her kidneys if its not purely behavioural.

Are they on redigrass at all as that does make rabbit's drink more and so pee more.

It could very well be a territorial thing with being outside and coming indoors but they have been indoors for awhile now.

I have never in 30 years of having rabbit's wormed any, we do panacur new rescue buns to be on the safe side but that's it.

I think I'd keep an eye on her Sophia just in case and if you are worried I would pop her to the vet's for a check up for peace of mind.

I agree with the worming debate. I wormed them when Jeeves came to me in 2011 when they were bonded but that was the only time until Tigger was poorly this year after vet advice.

Tuckerbunnies wrote:Are they on redigrass at all as that does make rabbit's drink more and so pee more.

It could very well be a territorial thing with being outside and coming indoors but they have been indoors for awhile now.

I have never in 30 years of having rabbit's wormed any, we do panacur new rescue buns to be on the safe side but that's it.

I think I'd keep an eye on her Sophia just in case and if you are worried I would pop her to the vet's for a check up for peace of mind.

Very, very occasionally. Not very often though and when they do its only a small fist full. Im really not sure what to do. If its her marking her territory, how can i stop her doing it on the bed? I cant put tarp over it because im asleep in there when they are out Using a pen is no good either as the bed is higher than that.

marleyNfriends wrote:

Tuckerbunnies wrote:Are they on redigrass at all as that does make rabbit's drink more and so pee more.

It could very well be a territorial thing with being outside and coming indoors but they have been indoors for awhile now.

I have never in 30 years of having rabbit's wormed any, we do panacur new rescue buns to be on the safe side but that's it.

I think I'd keep an eye on her Sophia just in case and if you are worried I would pop her to the vet's for a check up for peace of mind.

Very, very occasionally. Not very often though and when they do its only a small fist full. Im really not sure what to do. If its her marking her territory, how can i stop her doing it on the bed? I cant put tarp over it because im asleep in there when they are out Using a pen is no good either as the bed is higher than that.

Bunnies do like somewhere that's nice and soft to pee as well and a soft bed will be ideal. I'm apt to think it's a 'territory' thing as the bed will smell of you and a lot of house buns do pee on the bed. Young buns can pee on the bed but they do seem to grow out of doing it as they get older. Not nice I know!

What if you bought a cheap shower curtain and put it over the bed with an old sheet on the top of it.

Tuckerbunnies wrote:

marleyNfriends wrote:

Tuckerbunnies wrote:Are they on redigrass at all as that does make rabbit's drink more and so pee more.

It could very well be a territorial thing with being outside and coming indoors but they have been indoors for awhile now.

I have never in 30 years of having rabbit's wormed any, we do panacur new rescue buns to be on the safe side but that's it.

I think I'd keep an eye on her Sophia just in case and if you are worried I would pop her to the vet's for a check up for peace of mind.

Very, very occasionally. Not very often though and when they do its only a small fist full. Im really not sure what to do. If its her marking her territory, how can i stop her doing it on the bed? I cant put tarp over it because im asleep in there when they are out Using a pen is no good either as the bed is higher than that.

Bunnies do like somewhere that's nice and soft to pee as well and a soft bed will be ideal. I'm apt to think it's a 'territory' thing as the bed will smell of you and a lot of house buns do pee on the bed. Young buns can pee on the bed but they do seem to grow out of doing it as they get older. Not nice I know!

What if you bought a cheap shower curtain and put it over the bed with an old sheet on the top of it.

Because that would still be a pain to sleep with! She used to do it a very long time ago, but stopped. Shes been in since October and hasnt bothered doing it until 2 weeks ago. I wonder how i can try and break the habbit. I dont mind her coming on the bed, but i cant be doing with it when she pees everywhere, im constantly washing my duvet cover!

I had that problem with Mr Snuffles when he was older so I had a waterproof protector on the bed and I changed my sheet every day. The protector was washed about every other day. I know it is a pain though hun.

Hugs

JO xx

marleyNfriends wrote:

Tuckerbunnies wrote:

marleyNfriends wrote:

Tuckerbunnies wrote:Are they on redigrass at all as that does make rabbit's drink more and so pee more.

It could very well be a territorial thing with being outside and coming indoors but they have been indoors for awhile now.

I have never in 30 years of having rabbit's wormed any, we do panacur new rescue buns to be on the safe side but that's it.

I think I'd keep an eye on her Sophia just in case and if you are worried I would pop her to the vet's for a check up for peace of mind.

Very, very occasionally. Not very often though and when they do its only a small fist full. Im really not sure what to do. If its her marking her territory, how can i stop her doing it on the bed? I cant put tarp over it because im asleep in there when they are out Using a pen is no good either as the bed is higher than that.

Bunnies do like somewhere that's nice and soft to pee as well and a soft bed will be ideal. I'm apt to think it's a 'territory' thing as the bed will smell of you and a lot of house buns do pee on the bed. Young buns can pee on the bed but they do seem to grow out of doing it as they get older. Not nice I know!

What if you bought a cheap shower curtain and put it over the bed with an old sheet on the top of it.

Because that would still be a pain to sleep with! She used to do it a very long time ago, but stopped. Shes been in since October and hasnt bothered doing it until 2 weeks ago. I wonder how i can try and break the habbit. I dont mind her coming on the bed, but i cant be doing with it when she pees everywhere, im constantly washing my duvet cover!

I was thinking a shower curtain and sheet over the top during the day not have it on when you go to bed.

Tuckerbunnies wrote:

marleyNfriends wrote:

Tuckerbunnies wrote:

marleyNfriends wrote:

Tuckerbunnies wrote:Are they on redigrass at all as that does make rabbit's drink more and so pee more.

It could very well be a territorial thing with being outside and coming indoors but they have been indoors for awhile now.

I have never in 30 years of having rabbit's wormed any, we do panacur new rescue buns to be on the safe side but that's it.

I think I'd keep an eye on her Sophia just in case and if you are worried I would pop her to the vet's for a check up for peace of mind.

Very, very occasionally. Not very often though and when they do its only a small fist full. Im really not sure what to do. If its her marking her territory, how can i stop her doing it on the bed? I cant put tarp over it because im asleep in there when they are out Using a pen is no good either as the bed is higher than that.

Bunnies do like somewhere that's nice and soft to pee as well and a soft bed will be ideal. I'm apt to think it's a 'territory' thing as the bed will smell of you and a lot of house buns do pee on the bed. Young buns can pee on the bed but they do seem to grow out of doing it as they get older. Not nice I know!

What if you bought a cheap shower curtain and put it over the bed with an old sheet on the top of it.

Because that would still be a pain to sleep with! She used to do it a very long time ago, but stopped. Shes been in since October and hasnt bothered doing it until 2 weeks ago. I wonder how i can try and break the habbit. I dont mind her coming on the bed, but i cant be doing with it when she pees everywhere, im constantly washing my duvet cover!

I was thinking a shower curtain and sheet over the top during the day not have it on when you go to bed.

Oh They arent out during the day, just on a night and early morning.

Hmm... If your are leaning more towards it being a behavioural thing than a vet issue, then I would just do everything you can to stop them both getting on the bed. It's what I've had to do with Molly and Junior because Molly kept peeing on the spare bed and its just not on

Now, they don't get out in that room unsupervised and if they do jump up when I'm there, I chase them back down immediately.

This has been the case here for a few weeks now and they rarely try to jump up now. I know it may sound like I am being harsh, but peeing on beds really isn't on IMO.

Good luck!

Do you think you just need to go back a step in 'normal' toilet training and keep them confined unless supervised until she is back to only using her tray, and not piddling in the pen or anywhere else?

Have you observed her doing it closely enough to tell that it is a deliberate squat-and-pee rather than incontinence?

The only other thing that crossed my mind is whether she could have a slight urinary tract infection....

Thumper2001 wrote:Hmm... If your are leaning more towards it being a behavioural thing than a vet issue, then I would just do everything you can to stop them both getting on the bed. It's what I've had to do with Molly and Junior because Molly kept peeing on the spare bed and its just not on

Now, they don't get out in that room unsupervised and if they do jump up when I'm there, I chase them back down immediately.

This has been the case here for a few weeks now and they rarely try to jump up now. I know it may sound like I am being harsh, but peeing on beds really isn't on IMO.

Good luck!

I was doing this, as she kept waking me up on a night, i thought she might now be peeing on the bed to get her own back Its not on at all, my bed and all my bed and all my bedding is relatively new too and i spent a fortune on it, i really dont want it stinking of rabbit pee!!

Sparky wrote:Do you think you just need to go back a step in 'normal' toilet training and keep them confined unless supervised until she is back to only using her tray, and not piddling in the pen or anywhere else?

Have you observed her doing it closely enough to tell that it is a deliberate squat-and-pee rather than incontinence?

The only other thing that crossed my mind is whether she could have a slight urinary tract infection....

I confined them for 5 days last week after she did it on my bed. I was watching her more closely last night and noticed that she went to the litter tray to squat, and i praised her for it. But i watched her closely afterwards for a while as i noticed there were dribbles on the carpet where she was going. Then there was a couple of bigger spots a while after. All the while, shes running around doing her thing and shes deffinitley not squatting, even when shes doing it on the bed. Last night i was watching the pair of them when they got up, incase she was squatting, and i didnt even notice her pee on my bed.

If it doesn't seem like she's doing it deliberately, maybe it's more of a health problem than behavioural.

It may be worthwhile watching her to see if it improves/worsens, and then possibly taking her to see the vet just for peace of mind

FluffSlave wrote:If it doesn't seem like she's doing it deliberately, maybe it's more of a health problem than behavioural.

It may be worthwhile watching her to see if it improves/worsens, and then possibly taking her to see the vet just for peace of mind

Its really bothering me, im going to keep an eye on her and get her booked in next week when im off. Ive got some needles and syringes too, so ill get some next time she does it on the lino.

I have a couple of thoughts on this. It sounds to me like she may have a UTI since it is a dribbly widdle.

They are probably drinking more because I imagine you are running your furnace or heater and the Winter air may be much dryer so they need more. I mean think of their HUGE noses!

Please let us know what's going on when you do Sophia!

Hugs to cheeky Dolly

I am sending lots of bunny loves to you both.

Hugs

JO xx

Well they havent been out tonight, but i came home from college to find another puddle in the pen. My friend and I have spent all evening in my room tinkering with the vivarium.

Dolly is deffinitley drinking a ridiculous amount of water, as shes spent an awful lot of time by the water bowl. I bought one of those Savic Source bottles today, just out of interest. I hope they can use it, because i want to work out exactly how much they are getting through in a day. Sometimes i wonder if i worry too much, as i worry about all the 'pets', but something isnt right, this isnt like them at all. Im still going to keep an eye on her, but if i can get a urine sample to the vets on Friday, i will.

Oh Mads, ive been speaking to someone from SAA on Facebook, shes got a lot of experience with buns when it comes to kidney problems and especially EC. I apologise dotdot for doubting you, i totally didnt think at all and didnt look online until id seen a vet as you start to think the worst.

Anyway, Rachel said it screams EC to her and suggested i get them tested. So i did look online to double check symptoms etc. I read something about zoonosis and then panicked. Went on another site to make sure and it can be a problem in people with compromised immune systems. Obviously, most of you know i take drugs to suppress my immune system to keep my transplant working. It seems the sensible thing now is to get them tested to be on the safe side and make sure Mum cleans the litter trays.

I feel a bit sick and panicky now! Im so sorry for dismissing your comment dotdot, it didnt cross my mind at the time Really, really sorry.